Author of the new book ‘People without Power’ Thomas Frank explains why everything you think you know about populism is wrong. [Note: language warning, a mild one]

Host: Ebony Bennett, deputy director at the Australia Institute // @ebony_bennett

Guests:

Wayne Swan // @SwannyQLD

Ben Oquist // @BenOquist

Thomas Frank // @thomasfrank_

Producer: Jennifer Macey

Theme music: Jonathan McFeat from Pulse and Thrum