The pandemic exposed a lot of the problems with our labour market, including the risks of the rise of precarious and insecure work. Today we’re bringing you another guest from our ‘Economics of a Pandemic’ webinar series: Sally McManus, Secretary of the Australian Council of Trade Unions in conversation with Jim Stanford, economist and director of the Australia Institute’s Centre for Future Work.Visit tai.org.au or futurework.org.auHost: Ebony Bennett, Deputy Director at The Australia Institute // @ebony_bennettGuests: Sally McManus, ACTU Secretary // @sallymcmanusJim Stanford, economist and Director, Centre for Future Work // @JimboStanfordThis episode was produced by Jennifer Macey.Our theme music is by Jonathan McFeat from Pulse and Thrum.Thanks for listening